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Wednesday, 21 June 2017

Ross Barkley


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Limiting finances and a lack of ambition from David Moyes has kept Everton as arguably the best of the rest, although since Moyes left they have struggled to maintain that mantle.

Now that Tottenham have shown clubs that if you employ a quality coach who can improve players, rather than just fit players together into a system as most average coaches do, then you can achieve results greater than the sum of your parts.

Ronald Koeman has steadied the ship at Everton and we'll have to wait and see how his spending goes and whether the players succeed or not.

Ross Barkley, in my opinion, should have left Everton hen he had the chance to go to Manchester United, he was always going to stagnate without training with better players, as I wrote at the time, so not hindsight chaps. That prediction has come true, he is no different now than he was a few years ago and Dele Alli overtook him in just 7 games.

The lad is still only 23, not 24 until December and still has the time to improve his game. Mauricio Pochettino sees that in him and wants to bring him to Spurs, Barkley wants to come but at the moment Everton have suggested a ridiculous fee for a player with a year left on his contract. He could always wait a year and leave for free, Everton don't want that, naturally..

They have to sell really, especially as they have already bought his replacement and thus will have to lower the price to sensible proportions, which will mean a waiting game until August perhaps. They will not want to be paying two wags unnecessarily so after our kit is announced this could happen quick.


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  1. You've never watched Barkley actually play have you?. Also Everton can let him go for 20mn in Jan or on a free in a year as he didn't cost anything to bring in. They aren't going to be down on the deal and, with better players joining, who knows maybe he signs another contract extension after all.

    Can't see him heading to Spurs of anywhere. Unless of course Dele has his head turned by one of the bigger clubs.

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    1. Yes I have seen him play and he has untapped potential. Pochettino wants him and Spurs are building a squad, not a team, that requires more than one player for each position. Alli and Barkley, not one or the other.

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    2. He's had potential for several years and thats all it will ever be. There are a number of flaws in his game that no amount of coaching will correct, particularly his decision making. He is not the kind of player we need at Spurs. There are many better even at £15m.

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    3. I'm curious why you believe that, in spite of clear potential, he'll never overcome a few problems with his game. Particularly when MP has shown on numerous occasions how good he can be at getting the best out of young players.

      I'm afraid I don't find your comments at all convincing.

      COYS!!

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  2. He's signing for you. It was agreed over the weekend, heard he was in Vegas with Ali & Kane last week.

    Koeman has basically forced him out by not giving him the same contract as others around him are earning. Good for and the club if he moves. He's good but never going to fulfil his potential at Everton.

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  3. We don't want Barkley at Spurs,Arsenal or Man Utd can have him.

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    1. I would like him at spurs, he is a very talented player and he could improve a lot under poch

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  4. Spurs fans think theyre amazing after 2 seasons lmao. How many league titles have you won?? Haha. Barkley is turd. You can have him for 10 million. Dele Allis pubes are better and hes 4 years younger. And im an Evertonian. Idiot

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  5. What the hell has how many league titles have you won got to do with where spurs are currently? A typical response from a fan who is jealous and can't see the real picture. Most spurs fans know the deal. Barkley at this moment in time has zero chance of being a first 11 player at spurs. Good back up option to Alli, Eriksen, Son that is it.

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  6. So just how is this guy gonna improve our attacking midfield?
    How long is it going to take Poch to improve this guy?
    Should Poch insist that we try for this ‘meat pie’ then how much is DL going to be prepared to pay for a player who will be, at least initially, a benchwarmer?
    Not a lot I suspect!
    So why is everyone convinced that Barkley will arrive?
    Perhaps the answer is this…
    Firstly, if we can’t shift Sissoko there’s no way this guy is gonna arrive ‘cos I’m starting to see a pattern here with the absence (cover for) of Erik…first N’jie, then briefly Onomah and, as of late, Sissoko.
    Let’s face it, we’ve spent a lot of money (aside from Josh) on this right ATMF position without too much success so far and, that’s the only place Barkley could maybe play (and justify a position on the bench) without upsetting the balance of the team and like Sissoko his main position is central ATMF (more playing options for Poch).
    But, and it’s a big but, don’t expect DL to layout more than £15m for Barkley having spent £68m so far on this position.

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    1. With only a year left on his contract he shouldn't have to spend much more than £15m

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  7. Barkley is not in the strong position that his advisers are telling him. If Everton do not get the fee that they want then they let Barkley spend his World Cup qualifying year in the reserves at best. That will set him back at least 2 more years in terms of his international future. I expect him to go for the Everton fee or for him to sign a new deal.

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    1. Football is a business and Everton will not let him rot on his wages. He won't sign a new deal that's for certain as Everton have already bought his replacement. They need his wages off so Everton are not in the position you believe them to be in. Clubs simply have to wait until the final day of the window and Everton have to capitulate.

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  8. why would spurs need him weve got great attacking midfielders ,dembele ,erikson ,the thing is mr levy if you are listening ,is not sell your best players and out the rubbish like sissoko and a couple of other big earning dissapointments , if your gonna sign someone make it massive ,love to see gareth back then i would say ok there is a place in midfield ,but for barkley NO

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    1. Yes your right about barkley. Koeman is a smart cookie he wouldnt let him go if he rated him. Toke bexhill

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    2. well said toke tottally agree ,i dont think he is the type of player spurs need , we r flair and pace with force in the middle of the park ,as for the guy sayin delle and dier are no better,barley is no replacement for the genius that is dellie boy !!

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  9. I would like Barkley and would be very happy for him to come to Spurs. He has real ability and would bring the squad up a couple of % and you don't need to many % points to turn us into the real deal.

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  10. I'm an evertonian, and i watch barkley weekly. he's the most infuriating player to watch every single week. one week he'll be a world beater, the next 5, he'll be an absolute passenger. When he's not controlling the game, we may as well be down to 10 men. he's not good enough for a top 7 side, and never will be. Poch or not, he'll never fulfil his potential. undoubted talent. no brain. sorry.

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  11. maybe a straight swap for sissoko lol ,maybe sissolko would play for everton ,dont forget how much they wanted him when spurs pinched him on deadline day ,but would barkley fit in to our system ,i think he would be bench fodder , i would love to be wrong and i have on other occasions ,im sort of 60 /40 against but lets see if he comes in and plays brilliantly, i would love to eat my words

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  12. barkley is total class,take away ali's goals that may be tempory and what does he offer. can't go past a player, runs into defenders or ends up on the floor.spurs should cash in on him now and his mate dier both massively overrated. Honestly mark my words in a couple of years time people will look at these two and wonder what all the fuss was about.

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    1. have you read the evertonians comments ,a guy that watches him week in week out ,ive not really been impressed with barkley myself , ,put it this way if he was the real deal everton would go all out to keep him

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    2. Are you from Woolwich or Mars ? The only thing you got right was Ali does go down to easily as he glides past players !

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    3. I guess you just have to wonder what planet some people are on. I'm with Steve Mac on this one.

      COYS!!

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  13. If he's got no brain and he's no good then he's Ar5ena1 bound, He would be too clever for Chavski

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    1. Very droll. Especially about the chavs and his lack of brain. Like it.

      COYS!!

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  14. barkley is the best player in England and if we sign him poch will make the new gazza we've been waiting for for the last 27 years. hope we sign him.

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  15. anyone who writes that we don't want ross barkley, ericken, dele alli behind harry kane is a jelouse arsenal fan or a complete idiot.

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    1. Or maybe even has some experience watching and assessing players so doesn't assume they're the bee's knees just because they play well every now and again.

      Seriously, Barkley is a long way from the finished article. He's shown flashes of potential, but has an enormous amount to prove before he can be spoken of in the same breath as Gazza.

      COYS!!

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  16. So much to discuss here:
    The arrogance. You've had 2 very good seasons and now you're Barcelona.

    "Now that Tottenham have shown clubs that if you employ a quality coach who can improve players, rather than just fit players together into a system as most average coaches do, then you can achieve results greater than the sum of your parts."

    Well done Spurs! You have mastered football! Everyone else was doing it wrong all along - thanks for enlightening us all. Did you know you actually just described David Moyes' Everton side above btw? Maybe Bill Nick's side did this in 1961?

    Could it actually be down to the player that he has 'stagnated?' - Barkley's inability to put the hours in, work harder on the pitch and look after himself off the pitch are much more likely than Moyes, Martinez, Koeman's managerial skills. Worth mentioning also that despite this stagnation, Barkley was the most creative English player last season in terms of chances created and assists. Ok, it's a shallow English talent pool, but that's still more creativity than Dele Alli in a Spurs team scoring goals galore. Granted, Alli scored a bucketload.

    Of course, it's also not possible that he could actually develop under highly respected coach Koeman at Everton, with some good signings already made, more to come, competition from Everton's title winning u23 side and World Cup u20 winners? No, only 'Poch' can save him now.

    Everton literally don't have to sell. This one is down to the player and the club, not Spurs' kit launch (since when does this mean a new player signs for a club) Also, Klaassen is not a like-for-like replacement. If they sign another centre mid/attacking mid then Barkley's position is at risk. And yes, little old Everton can afford Barkley's wage. It is a squad game as you mention...

    The question is more about whether Levy would stump the £100k a week that Barkley supposedly wants, as well as the £30m that Everton want at this moment...and looking at this morning's papers, neither look likely.

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    1. If you believe all coaches are equal you are a fool, all players are not equal, some are better than others, the same applies to coaches, the vast majority are average.

      It is a managers job to get through to a player who isn't showing the right aptitude, as you say your managers have failed and thus he has stagnated. take the different approach Pochettino took with Mousa Dembele where he put him on the bench for a season. Dembele then realised he could no longer stand still and vowed to improve, as he has. management impact on player mentality, quality coaching.

      I see you don't understand the world of business and Public relations. Football is a business and any new sponsor will no want to see a summer signing being paraded in another sponsors kit, that I would have thought was obvious to everyone, but apparently not. Business basics, it's called marketing, it's what brings in the money to pay for payers and wages.

      Everton literally do have to sell,or he leaves for free in a year, again it's called business basics.

      1 year contract left so niot worth £30m - probably more like £15m to £18m is a realistic price. Fee depends on contract length, next window he is a £10m player at most, then a free agent.

      The media is simply an extension of negotiations, information and misinformation. There are reports a deal has been agreed also, although I doubt it personally.

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    2. I wouldn't argue against David Moyes' tenure at Everton being an impressive one. In truth Everton punched above their financial weight during most of that period. That's not to say that he ever reached the heights that MP has. His career has not been exclusively at Spurs, and he's impressed everywhere as far as I recall, but the progress we've made under his leadership since he took over is actually phenomenal. If you look at results over the whole of the last two seasons there's not a club in England that even comes very close. That, and we had top scores across a number of different statistics; goals scored; conceded; clean sheets; etc. So, not Barcelona no, but definitely a side that have performed way, way above their financial weight.

      Not forgetting that, almost single-handedly, he's transformed the way the rest of the world look upon the idea of facing a Spurs side. I'm sure you're as familiar as anyone with the term Spursy. It's a tag that's still being talked about. Mainly just to say that we aren't remotely like that any more. Try to remember he joined us just three short seasons ago.

      As for your other comments about Everton's options with regard to Barkley and the price you talk about getting for him, well, I'm afraid that's simply wishful-thinking. You don't give any indications of having any realistic understanding of the issues.

      Feel free to come back and remind us how right you were if we're proven wrong about all of this.

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  17. Of course all coaches aren't equal. In fact they're very different.

    Moyes - was first very encouraging to Barkley, was ready to give him his debut at 16. But then went hard on Barkley, dropped him, loaned him with mixed results on his return.

    Martinez went completely the other way, praised and inflated his ego at all opportunities. Mixed results, confused player.

    Koeman tried just about everything this season. Encouragement, criticism, realism, bench time, different positions...

    And various England managers have failed to unlock the potential too.

    So why are you convinced that Poch, who is arguably more strict and driven than Moyes or Koeman - will be a success?

    As for the marketing side, Barkley is all over Everton's kit launch, from a PR perspective the only option have to sell him is late in August by putting the blame on the player - "We offered him a great deal, we had no choice". They have as it turns out, and again, more than Spurs will be willing to pay probably.

    So Spurs' kit launch has nothing to do with any of this - all this will come down to will be Levy's willing for a cheap, late deal and just how stubborn Barkley and Everton are in their negotiations. I cannot see Levy being proactive ahead of a Spurs new kit in the slightest.

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  18. Well, we know that Levy does like a deal to be as cheap as he can make it. That sometimes means he'll do it later rather than earlier. Nevertheless, we also know that he's prepared to put his money down for MP as there's already a deep level of trust between the two men. They partner well.

    As for why anyone would expect Poch to make a better go of dealing with Barkley's temperament than other managers who've admittedly tried various approaches with mixed success. My response is that there are two fundamental reasons.

    Firstly, he will make the deal only after careful preparations. He'll make the approach if, and only if, after talking personally with the player himself, he believes that he's bought into what Poch tells him about his plans for him. That will include knowing that he'll be expected to work harder than he's ever worked before. Much harder. That will involve finding, and being convinced of, the motivation the player has to improve himself and be the best he can be.

    Secondly, after that good start, he's very experienced and very able to deal with the psychology of young players - particularly those with talent and the desire to be successful. He can continue to enthuse a player where other managers cannot.

    Not every project is a success. Some fall by the wayside. But, a higher proportion than most go on to impress at the highest levels. I'm guessing Barkley wants that, and ECL, and knows that Poch is the man that can get him there. He'd be a fool to think it'll be an easy ride, but I don't think he's that.

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