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Tuesday, 22 December 2015

Paul Mitchell scouts winger


Tottenham have been regularly sending talent-spotters to Birmingham to keep tabs on teenage talent Demarai Gray. While there are not stories each week he is being watched every week, be it in person or via video after the game.


We had a scout at Bolton back on 20 October as Birmingham beat them 1-0 away from home and on 5 December Paul Mitchell went to see him play against Huddersfield, Birmingham lost 2-0 at home.

Hull City manager Steve Bruce has called 19-year-old (20 nxt June) Gray, who has been watched by Bayern Munich, as “probably the best young player in the country”. Naturally all the top clubs are watching him and latest reports are that Southampton are taking a keen interest sending their top scout, Ronald Koeman's brother to see him. Bournemouth and Leicester City have recently been mentioned as wanting to buy him also while Liverpool sent one of their scouts, Barry Hunter, to watch him against Huddersfield, where both he and Mitchel watched young left-back Ben Chilwell as well.

Valuing him is difficult, the £7.5-million figure has been mentioned, but then last year Birmingham were talking stupid £20-million figures, the latest is £3.75-million. Potential is just that, potential, you don't pay for it as if it has happened. You pay a fee that acknowledges a player has potential, but then you cover yourself by including stages of add-ons so if he starts to fulfill his potential he cost more if he doesn't he doesn't cost more. It's basic common sense, quite why WBA chairman Jeremy Peace gets upset with common sense over Berahino is a mystery. 

Birmingham will naturally want as much as they can get, what the fee for a right-footed left winger who has scored one goal and had one assist in 24 games is I don't know.

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    8 comments:

    1. Bearing in mind the 100 mill that prem teams are getting this year, and performances from Gray last season, as everyone rates him so highly, I do not think 20 mill is Outrageous.. Why should we let him go for 3 or 4 mill..???

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    2. Because he isn't worth £20m, he may be in the future but that is a different matter, you don't pay for what a player ,might do. can you guarantee he will produce £20m performances in the Premier League? No, nobody can. He isn't a centre-forward merely a wide man, forwards cost more. You pay what a player is worth, plus a bit extra for potential and the rest is all about add-ons but there is no way anyone will pay £20m as there is no value in them doing so. If he improves then he just meets what you have paid and clubs buy players so they can make a profit not break even. Personally I don't think he will go for £3 or 4m, it will be nearer £6 or 7m. I'm sorry but all players have a career and they look to move up the ranks, it's a fact of life, staying at a club when you have ability at a young age isn't an option. Clubs, even Manchester City, have a duty to their young players to do what is best for them. That will mean being sold at some point, who to I don't know, but in Gray's case there is no way it will be for £20m, Wilfred Zaha showed the complete folly of that when he went for £15m and flopped. he isn't and has never been worth it. Palace fans thought the same as you, we all over value our players, we at Spurs do, but objectively £20m, not a chance.

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      1. I'm sorry, but you very rarely pay what a player is worth.. You pay according to an agreement between two differing valuations.. 1 being the selling club, and the other the buying club. This annoys me with premier league clubs.. You think you have a divine right to get hold of the best talent from lower league clubs. Old fashioned supply and demand I am afraid.. And you are not the only club interested.. You want him, we don't need to sell.. How much do you want him, compared to other clubs.. If you are not prepared to meet our valuation.. Hes Not going anywhere
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      2. I'm sorry, but you very rarely pay what a player is worth.. You pay according to an agreement between two differing valuations.. 1 being the selling club, and the other the buying club. This annoys me with premier league clubs.. You think you have a divine right to get hold of the best talent from lower league clubs. Old fashioned supply and demand I am afraid.. And you are not the only club interested.. You want him, we don't need to sell.. How much do you want him, compared to other clubs.. If you are not prepared to meet our valuation.. Hes Not going anywhere
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    3. As you say it tis the way football is. A young player has a limited career and he wants to play at the highest level possible for as long as possible. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't, but with all due respect to clubs in the Championship, unless they gain promotion then the player has a ceiling because of the standard of the opposition. Clubs don't enter into bidding ars, that's a media myth, all clubs value a player they are going to buy themselves and all selling clubs over value their players so somewhere in the middle can be met. While I respect your desire to hold on to him, and I am by no means saying we are going to even make an offer for him, there comes a time when he has to move for his career. A contract pays a big part in this, when a player has under 2 years left he starts to lose value, when he has 1 year left he is worth even less as he can then lave for free after that. Berahino is a case in point. He wasn't worth £25m last summer and he is only worth £15m or less now. In a year he'll be worth about £7m with just a few months left before he walks away for nothing. WBA have shot themselves in the foot. It's not about any divine right its about a player improving his career.

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    4. And this whole discussion is point proven as to why I detest the pl, and Sky with such venom.. We have brought through talented youth, and all that happens is the pl clubs believe these players should move on for the good of their career, and if we try to ensure that players adhere to the contract then pl clubs shift you!! Sooner one of the bog clubs goes bust and into meltdown, and the filth that is Sky dissappear, the fans can then have their game back again..

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    5. And this whole discussion is point proven as to why I detest the pl, and Sky with such venom.. We have brought through talented youth, and all that happens is the pl clubs believe these players should move on for the good of their career, and if we try to ensure that players adhere to the contract then pl clubs shift you!! Sooner one of the bog clubs goes bust and into meltdown, and the filth that is Sky dissappear, the fans can then have their game back again..

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    6. So you don't want your club to get promotion? You never move to a better paid job? Leeds United, Portsmouth, Wigan, Bolton, Fulham, there are plenty of Premier League clubs who have suffered. It's a fantasy would to believe football will be anything but an entertainment business, it has been that way since before Sky came along, my Dad was saying the same thing 35-40 years ago. Real Madrid shaft Premier League clubs, it is the same at every level, you will no doubt be taking players from lower leagues yourselves.

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