By Costas Georgiou
I'll start off this article by setting the record straight; I am part of the 'Jol-Out Movement'. I am sick and tired of hiding behind the fact that Martin Jol is a nice guy with a big heart. That maybe so, but being nice doesn't get you results. Being the boss does. Replacing players when they're not performing does. Being tactically astute does.
One man that has all the above characteristics is Jose Mourinho. For me, Mourinho is the type of manager Spurs need if they really are realistic about winning things.
Fact: Jose Mourinho has won things with Porto (Champions League for instance) and Chelsea. He is a born winner. I would like anyone to challenge me into saying he's not, or that "he's only won things at Chelsea due to their superior investment in playing staff".
Now that I have got that off my chest, I come to the title of this article; Jose in for Jol?
It's a no-brainer isn't it? Who wouldn't like Mourinho to replace Jol? Even the three Pro-Jol campaigners here at THBN (unfortunately, I am not authorised to tell you who they are) would be hard pressed to find reasons why they wouldn't want the 'Special One' to replace Martin Jol.
I hope Mr. Levy and the gang forget this Ramos business and turn their balding heads toward Belgrave Square, the residence of the Mourinho household.
I do see a snag in this whole business though. Chelsea, like Spurs, have a Sporting Director. In fact, they have two; one they nicked from us and the other one they nicked from Portsmouth.
I am sure Mourinho would welcome a move to Spurs, as it means his family, who are now fully settled in London, won't need to be uprooted. I am also sure that any move for Jose would rely on him being the main man at the club; meaning there would be no one above him, such as Damien Comolli, signing players.
Daniel Levy will have to prepare Mr. Comolli's P45 in a jiffy if any deal with the Portuguese manager is to happen.
PS. Please prepare Mr. Jol's P45 too.
I'll start off this article by setting the record straight; I am part of the 'Jol-Out Movement'. I am sick and tired of hiding behind the fact that Martin Jol is a nice guy with a big heart. That maybe so, but being nice doesn't get you results. Being the boss does. Replacing players when they're not performing does. Being tactically astute does.
One man that has all the above characteristics is Jose Mourinho. For me, Mourinho is the type of manager Spurs need if they really are realistic about winning things.
Fact: Jose Mourinho has won things with Porto (Champions League for instance) and Chelsea. He is a born winner. I would like anyone to challenge me into saying he's not, or that "he's only won things at Chelsea due to their superior investment in playing staff".
Now that I have got that off my chest, I come to the title of this article; Jose in for Jol?
It's a no-brainer isn't it? Who wouldn't like Mourinho to replace Jol? Even the three Pro-Jol campaigners here at THBN (unfortunately, I am not authorised to tell you who they are) would be hard pressed to find reasons why they wouldn't want the 'Special One' to replace Martin Jol.
I hope Mr. Levy and the gang forget this Ramos business and turn their balding heads toward Belgrave Square, the residence of the Mourinho household.
I do see a snag in this whole business though. Chelsea, like Spurs, have a Sporting Director. In fact, they have two; one they nicked from us and the other one they nicked from Portsmouth.
I am sure Mourinho would welcome a move to Spurs, as it means his family, who are now fully settled in London, won't need to be uprooted. I am also sure that any move for Jose would rely on him being the main man at the club; meaning there would be no one above him, such as Damien Comolli, signing players.
Daniel Levy will have to prepare Mr. Comolli's P45 in a jiffy if any deal with the Portuguese manager is to happen.
PS. Please prepare Mr. Jol's P45 too.
64 comments:
Not interested in Jose thanks. The fella makes my skin crawl and I do feel that his sucess at Chelsea was largely due to the Russian blood money! Fair enough he won the European Cup at Porto but a decent side always has a chance in a cup competition and they pretty much dived their way to that trophy. No thanks Jose.
7:22 Are you saying that you wouldn't like another manager at all, or that you just wouldn't like Jose?
Regards
Cos Georgiou
THBN
Yes Thank You!
It is a no-brainer.
That's exactly what i thin 7.26
What idiot wouldn't want a manager like Mouinho???
I just hope Levy and the rest of the numpty's on our board are already on the case.
Jol needs to go. The guy has said that Berbatov is a slow starter...maybe he should look at himself before making remarks like that.
Jose? Mouth watering! Certainly someone who can charm the press and maybe bring glory to WHL. Someone who is not afraid to pull the rug from under players feet when necessary. Would the board let him manage? Would Lennon be allowed to play on the right? Could our players spend a bit more time working on their fitness? Could he coach our players into believing in themselves a little bit more and holding on to leads? I would love it, but only time will tell! COYS!
Like most I like the big mans personality and am grateful for all he's done but deep down I feel that the next step needs to be taken. I don't think we should be hasty though as I still feel that we could do good things this season and if we need to wait till the end of the season for Jols sucessor then so be it. Will be a sad day for many when Jol does go though!
I agree with you 7:30, it will be a sad day when Jol goes. It's just that football isn't personal.
We can't keep people like Jol on the books just because they are nice guy's and have got us 2 top 5 finishes. That was history. We live in the present and need a manager that will drive us firmly into the future. Jose is that man.
C Georgiou
THBN
I'm not going to argue about Jose's sucess however i believe he can start to unsettle the team with his relationships with various board members.
I think we should keep Jol, we haven't started great but i thik you will see us in the top 5 which i understand we want top 4 and also near some trophies and maybe even winning the UEFA Cup!!!
hes a winner and he could get us organised . our top players wont hang around at spurs eg berbatov, bale lennon etc . unless we get someone with proven managerial skills. its a match made in heaven .
He maybe unsettled players with his relationship with Abramovich because Abramovich is an idiot.
Chelsea will be another Hearts.
I totally agree with the article, like you I love Jol as a man. But as a Coach he isn't getting the job done. Thisisn't about one man and how much you like him, ita about your love for the club and the club needs JM. Yes he is a bit of a twat but we need him to get us on the right path and get that winning mind set at the lane.
This is a very big chace for us to get a winner and the club. Jol is not a winner Jose is! But Jol is Jose mate why not Jose the BOSS Jol the number 2
Scott Davies
To those supporters who say no thanks to jose what do you want, jol to stay!The man can not manage that is fact.We will win nothing under jol because when you need to be bold jol is defensive his answer is score a goal and if you cant get a second then defend.That sounds good but as we have seen in the past spurs under jol have been poor at best plus he has never won anything as a manager and at the moment it shows.Replace jol with jose and we have a manager who can manage and has won something and can manage players.Jol out Jose in.YES PLEASE.Spurs for life
Even if you are right and Jol will never make the step up you are still being typical spurs supporters........we are a big club and every successful manager wants to lead us. Get it thru your thick heads, apart from the money why would they want to come to us. We have potential but are not there yet. I luv spurs but I am realistic to know that your Lippi's and Joes's will not want to come cos its the mighty spurs.
Get him & get him NOW!!!
Jol is no manager, he's got one of the best squads in the league but can't do anything with it.
We need a manager of Jose's pedigree, someone who's been there and got the t-shirt.
we HAVE to try and ger Jose!!! he has always said how much he likes and admires out club and he now will have something to prove by joining a proper club not just a bank in a half full stadium. Go get him Daniel get him now!!
I have always made the point that martin jol was appointed as an assistant manager and therefore that is what he can do. I agree that demoting him and putting in Jose or any other world class manager at no 1 would be a brilliant idea. Hughton is complete shite when it comes to anything he has always been there and has always been the weak link. Whether or not Jol would agree to step down is another matter
I myself was an admirer of what Jose has done but near the end of last season and the begining of this I can see that he is also a bit ropey(?) when it comes to tactics. He had no idea how to play Sheva or Bollock! He changed from a winning formation to a formation that is struggling. He has his favourites that are in the team regardless etc. etc.
Personally I would be hesitant to cry out for Jose to come to WHL but that said I also don't think Ramos is the answer!
He probably has a clause in his pay off that he can't manage another Prem League club for 5 years.
Reeeeeeaaaaaallllly!!!
Jose and Jol are big buddies. Can't see the (cough) hounourable Mr Mourinho being part of the gang that kick's Jol out. Or he won't want to be seen to be anyway.
Doesn't stop Spurs kicking him out and then hoping they can get Jose afterwards. Bet that'll go tits up though.
Have you seen who they have picked as their new boss. Ha Ha Ha...
John Terry and Frank Lampard to Barcelona in January me thinks!!
Someone said Chelsea are the new Hearts. Lets hope they are the new Leeds.
No thanks. Jol has finished 5th twice in 2 years. Before Jol 9th was the best EVER finish. Keep working away Jol and we will start challenging. Moron-io is a loud mouth, cheating, small little man. Dont need his type at or great club!!!
Why are people giving that "5th twice, best before 9th"-crap?
No other manager before Jol has had even near so strong squad and no one has had so much cash to burn to make it even stronger.
So you can't compare the results wit the managers before, instead you have to ask if somebody would have got even better results with given players.
Would somebody?
what do u mean by his type ??? what u mean a winner . we have quality players they wont be here for ever jol doesnt have the backing of the board anymore and u reckon jol can turn it around lets wake up and smell the coffee we need a good manager now while we are still in europe after that it will be twice as hard to recruit a good manager . nevermind signing quality players
Jol has been great for the club, however after the club going behind his back already he is a dead man walking ... timing is everything Mourinho would be great for spurs as he would definitely want to put one over on the russian and he also has his issues with wenger and Ferguson ... it's whether Levy can persuade him that he has a good enough squad at Spurs to take them on ...
Guys, seriously there's no chance of us getting Mourinho, so let's drop that one, the guy could go anywhere in the world, get paid handsomely. I'd suggest we're unfortunately not in that class right now, the Capello's/ Lippi's and Mouriniho's are Champions Leage Manager's, we're more realistically linked with the likes of Redknapp (heaven forbid) and Ramos (a couple of great seasons for Seville).
I for one think it's inevitable Jol will go, it's such a shame that all the positivity in pre-season (barr the left wing issues, which GBALE has done wonders on helping to resolve) has disentegrated, we were all so positive in pre-season, and now everything is so negative, from the Defoe stuff, King being injured, the confidence seems shot, Robinson has completely lost it, and our star men appear to be Steed Malbranque (a star man for any mid-table team, but an average player for a team who is in europe hoping to progress to the champions league) and a young left back come left winger, who has been a breath of fresh air. Berbatov and Keane seem to be out of sorts, and we all know how poor our central midfield is.
*No thanks. Jol has finished 5th twice in 2 years. Before Jol 9th was the best EVER finish. Keep working away Jol and we will start challenging.*
....and both times we should have finished 4th. Inept starts for the last 3 seasons & losing/drawing with teams that we should stuff,have stopped us getting higher. We shoudn't be starting challenging we should be there already, being challenged.
Next one to say (or rather repeat) that Jol has spent millions upon millions as Spurs manager is an idiot. End of.
PARK THE BUS!, PARK THE BUS INFRONT OF THE GOAL!
THAT was HOW porto won the cup
I was wondering who was going to be the first Spurs website to put this fantasy idea forward, congratulations!
There is no way in the world Jose would come to Spurs. We approached him before he went to Chelsea and we were knocked back then, why would he now come to us after winning the title twice with them.
He will end up with some top European club that already have regular CL football. He rates himself way too special to come here.
Some of the people who say "Yes, lets get him" are the same people who two days ago said "Lets get Ramos" or "Lets get Klinsman" or even "Lets get Hoddle back". I wonder who will it be next week?
Our board are too amateur to get something like this right mid season, and losing Jol without a replacement in place is a non starter, or have everyone forgotten that season with Pleat in charge?
Sacking Graham a week before a cup semi final. Sacking Hoddle after allowing him to mismanage the summer transfer window. Letting Pleat bumble his way through nearly a whole season. Now Jols arse is on the line since the 3rd game of the season, its f@ckin madness!! This stop/start boom/bust style of management will prevent us making any real progress.
Its nice to dream, but a dose of reality needs to be taken here, I'm afraid. Joses not gonna come and saying "Get him Levy" wont make it happen.
If Levy has the balls to appoint Morinho then I think, whether he intends to sell the club or not, it is probably the best decision he would make of his tenure. I am firmly routed in support of Martin Jol while he remains the manager and believe he has the ability to put in another fifth place finish for the club, but Morinho is a different class all together. Lets show some ambition.
I say keep Jol, be patient and give him the chance to get it right with this new,young and exciting squad. We need stability, with a bit more time and a good run (which I believe is not so far away) will bring stability to the club. I do not believe that Jose will bring any stability to our team, maybe a bit of attitude and some verbal attitude for everyone to laugh at when being interviewed, but how long will it take for him to fall out with the board and with the players, bringing attention to the club for all the wrong reasons. Keep Martin Jol.
Maybe it is just me, infact it probally is, but I never want to see another boring self obsessed manager at Spurs. Jol may not be perfect, but he had us playing football.
I'll admit Jose is a very good manager, but don't we want to win with style and flair? I hear he has left Chelsea because the money men wanted to see exciting football not boring stale matches...
What is this about Mourinho, he quit after 9 games in charge of Benfica coz the president would not give him a new contract. which would have doubled his money,
He spent shed loads at Porto to bring in the likes of Valente, Derlei,Paulo Ferreira, Manichi, jankauskas, manuel,
As for Chelsea we all know how much he spent there and stil failed to get to a European cup final,
Why do we feel he would come in and do whats best for Tottenham Hotspur and not whats bes fot Jose?
The Daily Mail are copying thbn!
Hahahahaa
Jose would probaly be interested, I remember in the past he has made good comments about us when we have played, He would also get us in the CL, but his form of football would be less attractive, at chelsea it was often labled "boring" all be it, he gets the results... Jol is trying to get us playing attractive football, when he works out an attractive football that wins (we hope v soon) He will be a better option for Spurs... COYS COYJ
Can any of Mr Jol's supporters remember the number of BIG matches that he has won? I mean those games that could have secured fourth place, or a spot in a cup final. Whenever it has come to a crunch match under Jol we have failed, with or without lasagne to blame. Jol is not a winner. I would give an arm to have Mourinho as our manager. He is confident, decisive and not afraid to drop so-called stars from the team if necessary. We MUST at least make him an offer!!!
No to Jose. We are fickle Spurs fans. Of course we want success & top 4 at least, but one reason we don't get it is because we keep changing managers after 2 or 3 seasons!! I don't agree with some of Jol's teams & substitutions, but I think we should give him more time. If we are still not top 6 by the spring then maybe we should be looking elsewhere, but not yet. Give Jol more time to get it right. COYS
As far as I am concerned, Jose Mourinho would be interested in a move to WHL as long as he was the main man.
Mourinho is the type of guy that likes a challenge. Trust me, managing Tottenham Hotspur is a challenge!
He get's to remain in London and manage a club that offers many challenges. That's why he is a real candidate.
Cos Georgiou
THBN
I 'm fully in support of Jol and think we should give him until end of year. That was until the monio sitaution last night.
He'd be the only person i'd rather have at Spurs
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JM for MJ? Backward club to go forward? Is this really a choice?
I would be very surprised if Mr Levy hasnt already contacted Jose this morning.
I suspect that Jose will take a while to consider his position and weigh up his options. He can afford to take his time and money wont be the deciding issue for him. He is settled in London, enjoying his new Belgravia home, his children enjoying the start of a new academic year. These things are very important to him.
For these reasons I think that Spurs have as good a chance as anyone to entice Jose. One thing for sure though. Comoli would have to go. That would be part of the package. Jose has already been a victim of 'upstairs' shennanigans, he wouldnt countainance a move to the present set up. I am a season ticket holder at Spurs - I'll be there cheering tonight. I love Jol. But he has been seriously and fatally undermined. I fear that he wont get the best out of the players now. Particularily a player like Berbatov that appears to need a magic switch.(or a kick up the backside). No doubt, Jose is the man to do this. And no doubt Levy knows this.
Jol's supporters seem to have forgotten that the spurs board spoke to Ramos because they found out Jol had approached other clubs wanting more money. He approached newcastle last Xmas and offered his services if they doubled his salary. Which is rich as he went to the board after defeating Chelsea and asked (and got) a wage increase.
The board have spoken about being ambitious, well now is the time to prove it by getting Mourinho and letting the two faced fat man leave.
JOSE COME TO SPURS
THAT WOULD BE A COUP!
SACK JOL HIS NOT GOOD ENOUGH
Great post 10:50.
No matter what Jose's success has been do we really want to forsake style for results?
I go to Tottenham to see stylish swashbuckling football, and even though results haven't gone our way, we have been playing some good stuff. I would hate for us to go back to the days of George Graham styled football (I went to 2 games in that era and refused to go anymore...Even with a Mickey Mouse Cup win, it was dreadful...)
Does anyone really want Arsenal to have the monopoly on a stylish brand of football, whilst we are stuck grinding out a dull 1-0 at home to the likes of Wigan?
Like most Spurs fans I like Jol a lot - he has made, like most managers, some good and bad signings but tacticlly he lacks a lot and he and his coaching staff seem unable to get the team to defend as a unit.
Here are 10 reasons why Jol should go:
1) Team unable to keep a clean sheet
2) We look as if we are going to concede at every set piece but rarely look like scoring from them.
3) He stands by Robinson despite an alarming drop of form over the last 18 months and an inability to make deal with crosses
4) He always picks Jenas - a decent enough player but who doesn't fit in a team playing 4-4-2 with two attacking wide men.
5) He lets Jenas take set pieces despite his terrible delivery
6) The team appear to lack stamina and always fade as the game goes on and concede late goals
7) The lack of a quality central midfielder despite the money spent
8) Left back / left midfield - although Bale will become a great player for Spurs he can only fill one position and is only just 18.
Lee is a decent defender but lacks physical prescence and his end ball near the opposition box is appalling. Spurs have not had a class back since Hughton - remember Edinburgh, Thomas etc
9) Inability to beat the 'top four' - one win in about 24 games - none away - a shocking record - I don't think the players think they can win these games
10) he has lost the faith of the board
If we want to be a top 4 side I feel Jose could do it without spending a fortune - two or three signings and some decent coaching , plus the return of an in form King could turn us into a top four side.
As I said before Jol is a good manager but we need Jose to take us to the next level
Thanks Big MJ for what you have done for us. You have certainly moved us on from where we were at before u arrived - but you are not capable of taking us to the next level (ie Champs League). The special one is capable of taking us to that next level and we'd be idiots to not sound him out for the job. I just hope that the Board go about the process with significantly more tact and diplomacy that they did with Ramos a few weeks ago, so that if Jose isn't up for the task, we're not left wiping egg from our faces once more.
Come to Spurs Jose, we'll make you welcome & Thanks Martin - We appreciate what you've done for us.
Looking forward to an exciting new (trophy filled) era at the Lane.
McSlippers
CyprusYid says... knowing our luck, Mourinho will go to Seville and we will end up with Ramos doing a fine immitation of Manuel from Fawlty Towers. He doesn't speak english! And his rotation tactics are criminal!
Lets get it straight jol has spent over 100 million in the three years in charge and still no silver so its not for lack of funding we have not won anything.Injuries, all clubs have injury problems and if we have more than others then there is something going wrong in training or on the treatment table.We have lost or drew to many games we should have won games the big 4 would not loose.If spurs supporters are happy being 5th then we stick with jol and let him get on with it if we want to break into the top four then we get a leader who knows how to win games.Take your pick jol has never won a major competion as a manager are we going to wait to see if he can maybe just maybe win one at spurs if so then no more moaning and be prepared for a long wait because like it or not the big four are getting stronger and stronger.
Please give Mr. Jol until mid-October just in case we miss something important. Regardless of whatever happens, Mr. Jol have a huge weakness in beating top 4 'Category A' -- yet Aston Villa and other clubs have done that and showed far greater commitment than Spurs's 1st team have done. I feel that Mr. Jol is not loyal enough to Spurs' commitment to look forward to the future, definitely full of success opportunities with stylish football. I just do not want to see Tottenham Hotspur to be relegated, it would be making a huge fatal mess of North London football. I have my own pride having been a former resident of North London. In the end I believe that destiny might pull Mr. Mourinho towards White Hart Lane because of his children and new house being major significators. I'd like to see Spurs top 4 just like most Spurs fans around the world -- and progress beyond the quarter finals of major cup competitions. We must stop repeating all the time, and start making improvements upon our past 2 seasons. May you prospe to new heights, Spurs and show the world what you are capable of!
Big news in the last two seasons spurs have won-NOTHING but they managed to finish 5th.Big deal after spending that sort of money i should flamning well hope so.Three seasons no cups terrible record against top 4 sorry jol out and JOSE in.He can make us winners something big martin will never do.Last season we finished 5th,last season unied won the league when was the last time spurs won the premier league-never and at jols rate they never will crap manager no better than any other manager who finished below us last season or the season before that.jol out before we all die waiting to spurs win something
This will not ever happen
Does anybody honestly believe Jose M would want to come to us when he will have the pick of every huge club in Europe!! Get real guy's back Jol support the club...
It never fails top amaze me how oblivious to reality some of us Spurs fans can be, and opens us to ridicule from the masses, not in our wildest dreams would Jose consider the Lane, 1:55 and 1:37 you are spot on, we have a great manager who needs to be supported.
Jiz monkeys the lot o'yer
JOSE IN, JOL OUT. SIMPLE AS THAT!
Sorry but the only man to impress in that 6-1 win was defoe.The rest were just strolling along not enough passion shone there.jol has big problems the team need a leader and the defence still looks wide open.Not impressed by that , this was a team we should beat easy and we did but there still looks to be something missing.Yes now i know what it is something special!Bring on the SPECIAL 1
the majority of you lot are clueless t#*ts. jol is our manager, simple as that. for all that guy has done for this club and yet everybodies jumping on the media bandwagon that seems intent on destroying it all. its all bollocks, talk of berbatov leaving, talk of 'jols tactical inability, juande ramos(or whatever his fucking name is), defoes want to move away, etc,etc. ALL of this came from the newspapers and has any of it actually happened? no, it has'nt! a couple of months ago, before all of this speculation, jol could do no wrong in the eyes of spurs fans. so what, now, after a couple of months of relentless media negativity, have you all really been swayed by it all. top four finish? that was always going to be a long shot, but realistic nonetheless. but instead you all seem intent on fucking it up like spurs always do.
Get over yourselves! Mourinho is a winner and you lot are frankly an embarrassement to a so called 'big-team'. He would NEVER stoop so low. Dream on Schmucks!
be careful what you wish for.
Jose's brand of football is boring to the extreme.
Do we really want a George Graham mark 2 as manager..??
People like Poshwank will be the first to bemoan the manager when they realise its hard to stay awake during games and we only get gates of 20,000 for europe and cup matches.
But hey I guess any passing bandwagon will do for these numpties
WILL SURVIVE BY MARTIN JOL
First I was afraid, I was petrified
Kept thinking I could never turn Spurs into a top 4 side
But I spent oh so many nights thinking how Staltari did me wrong
Perhaps I'm wrong??, but I'll just have to carry on
and we'll be back, into 5th place
I'll just wait till the transfer window to sign another waste of
space
I should have sold Paul Robinson, I should have dropped him from the
team
If I had known for just one second he'd concede more goals than Derby
Coun-ty
Go on now go, Bent there's the door
just turn around now, 'cause you don't score goals anymore
weren't you the one that cost more than Thierry Henry, I knew you'd
crumble, I'd rather have Emile Hes-key,,,,
Oh no cause I, I will survive
As long as I win the next 6 games I know I will stay alive,
I've got Tainio who is shat, & Huddlestone who's just fat, but I'll
survive
I will survive..
It took all the strength I had not to fall apart
kept trying hard to mend Defoe's relationship with his little t@rt
and I spent oh so many nights trying on John Barnes's tights
And oh I've cried, I want the Spurs job till I die!
And you see Keane, he hates me too
I subbed him off when we were winning, then we went and ****ing drew!
And now im scratching my big chin, why can't I just sell Ledley King?
If I'm gonna save my skin, I'll need some politics style Spin!!
Having recently received my Spurs jersey way out here in little old Saskatoon (Western Canada) I have tremendously enjoyed this blog.
"I will Survive" though is genius. Pure genius.
Standing ovation from the Canuck Spurs Fan Club (of which I am, as far as I know, the only member).
Regards,
Saskatoon
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