By Sam Jenkins
Martin Jol and the Spurs side proved a point to the media in the Derby's demolition on Saturday.
With Sevilla Manager, Juande Ramos being strongly linked to succeed Jol in the next few days (something we hope doesn't happen), Spurs pulled off an amazing first half display that in effect, won the game.
Talk surrounding the game was that the first team squad was involved in a lengthy meeting with the Spurs management. Questions were asked of the players commitment, and they answered their critics in style.
For me, Jenas got my shout as 'man of the match'. When I heard that Zokora, not Jenas, had been dropped from the side in place of Huddlestone, I was deeply annoyed. Many fans, including me have heavily criticised Jermaine Jenas for his lacklustre performances since joining the club. He certainly shut me up on Saturday, linking play, putting tackles in and scoring a great individual goal.
Malbranque hit a brace to silence his critics. He took his two goals brilliantly.
Huddlestone's inclusion was a masterstroke. He protected the back four and his passing was sublime.
Bent, also scored his first goal for the club, scoring an easy header on the line. The crowd at the Lane was great too. Everyone was behind Martin Jol and the team, as should be the case.
What on earth were some of the Tottenham Hotspur board members doing meeting Sevilla's manager Juande Ramos and his agent? We are sure that Levy is 100% behind Jol. If that's the case, why is our vice-chairman meeting with another manager and stupid enough to have been caught in the act?
The Daily Telegraph have commented on the meet between Ramos, his agent and some members of the board. Is this mutiny? Did Levy sanction the meet? If not, then I feel someone may be handing in their resignation come Monday morning.
Monday, 20 August 2007
Spurs 4-0 Derby
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Ok, so it was a great win, but don't you think derby gifted it to us?
How much space did they leave open on the pitch??
Instead of playing with a 5 man midfield and not allowing us any space, they played their home team tactics. If they had troubled us, the crowd would have turned on the team and they could have got a point.
What do i know? Im not a manager.
I still want Jol sacked. He can't take us to the next level.
Sack Jol?
Don't be so fucking fickle. Have you forgotten where we were without BMJ?
He's already taken us to the next level you idiot.
Don't expect us to jump into 4th straight away. I know that the media have said that we should be pushing for 4th spot but i don't agree.
I believe that a cup win will do and then next season should be the season were we make the leap.
If he can't do it then, so be it, let's get rid of him, but not now.
Give him a chance.
If all these stories are true about Ramos, then it's only a matter of time before Jol gets the boot.
Paul
COYS!!!
I don't believe that the Ramos story is true. The picture shows him getting into a car whilst leaving th hotel. It doesn't show them all together meeting.
It's just mere paper talk. No one gets sacked after spending 40 million.
They do at Spurs. We've got a European system in place remember?
Comolli is the guy pulling the strings. He stays, whilst the manager/coach gets the sack.
Thats what we've got going on at Spurs, or haven't you realised it?
Get real, Jol is out. i even say by tonight.
Great win. I agree about Derby giving us too much room though.
It was as if they were asking us to score.
Jenas played brilliantly though didnt he?
I was sat in the East upper and the 2 guys behind me were saying that Levy asked/told Jol to give Routledge and Huddlestone a chance.
I asked them how they knew this but they wouldn't answer.
Huddlestone made all the differece
Can Ramos even speak English? I don't think he can. What use is he to us if he can't even communicate with the players?
If all is true and we are after him, then i am pretty sure that the guy can speak English.
City were also after him but he didnt want to go.
He's a class manager that can take us to the next level. He's won the UEFA Cup to and Seville play some really nice stuff
MARTIN JOL SHOULD BE GIVEN MORE OF A CHANCE. I THINK WE'LL BEAT MANCHESTER UNITED ON SATURDAY AND THEN ALL OF YOU WILL HAVE TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED.
We're playing on Sunday.
I think Jol will be at the club for a long time. We'll judge him when the injured players return.
We'll keep getting injured players though. Didnt you lot read the papers over the weekend?
Please enlight us 9.25
Jol is a lillywhite through and through. He won't get sacked.
Just leave him alone to do his job.
Start supporting the team and stop all this media hype
For us to make the top four, we can't afford to lose more than another 3 games. I find it quite unrealistic that we won't lose another 9, let alone 3.
2 defeats have already cost us the 4th spot
The papers said that our training methods are wank.
Players are complaining and that we dont do enough running and thats why players like Kaboul are pulling hamstrings.
Comolli must be seeing this and reporting it to the board. No wonder they are looking for a new manager
Cheers 9.29
I think Spurs fans are very good are falling apart. Shouldn't we be more united when we face a problem rather than going at each other's throat.
Give BMJ a chance.
I am one of Jenas' biggest critics but I have to say he played a blinder on Sat... But it was all down to Huddlestone, I've been calling for this lad to be starting more games and lets hope after Sats performance he will keep his place in the side - his mobility also looks to be improving which is a good thing and he won a superb 50/50 ball near the Derby box showing he is also improving his aggression! COYS
Here we go again. Talk about another manager coming in. Why can't we just stick with what we've got?
Let Jol do his job. Everything else is pure paper talk, can't you lot see that?
It's simple, they write dross, knowing that Spurs fans will believe it and so buy their papers, making them richer and leave us looking like planks.
Ramos anit coming to spurs because Martin Jol is in charge.
I also got a lot of people saying that Levy asked Jol to pick Routy and Huddlestone. I sit in the West lower and wear the Ginola is God 1998 home top.
Martin
I dont believe that for a second. Jol wouldnt accept the board or anyone picking his team for him.
I believe that he's the kind of guy that quite proud (as most Dutchment, me being one of them, are. If told how to pick his team, he would walk out, as should any manager.
I live near Rotterdam and the papers here are talking about Jol managing the national side by the end of the year.
Oh come on you guys, ManUre are below us in the table but you dont see Ferguson under so much pressure, Arsenal finished fourth last year and lost a hell of a lot more than just two games, all our left backs are out our central defence is in tatters all thru injury, probably my only problem with Jols team selection is why have we not seen more of Taarabat, and against a poor team like Derby maybe we should have tried to play KPB to bed him in a bit before the next few big games. Knee jerk manager sackings have been the demise of many clubs, all this shit makes me ashamed to be a Spurs fan, yes we were shit against Everton but even the pundits dont reckon we played that bad at sunderland and newly promoted teams with championship style football are always hard to beat as nobody knows how they will play.
p.s. if we want to have anychance of finishing in fourth spot we need stability END OF!!!!!!
and on top of the last comments i would like to say
1) The Board Show Faith in Jol and when he is offerd the National job with Holland he decides to stay and enjoy the Champs League with Tottenham
2)The Fans, The Board, The Press treat him like a cunt and when he is offerd the Dutch national Job he bites thier bloody hand off to get away from us.
3) we end up bedding in a new manager for a season or two
4) with all this Shit what Manager or player in thier right mind would want to join us
5)I bet this is doing loads to convince Berbatov this is where he wants to be
Go on you planks call for Jol´s head and watch us slip back into mid-table obscurity again
I agree with you toatally 9.53.
If we are to sack Jol (and for what exactly) and bring in Ramos, he may not be all that he's lived up to. Then what? Sack him to?
Lets stick with what weve got.
If anyone here believes that Jol is a better manager than Ramos, then you need your head examined.
Who personally (from deep in their heart) think that the like Ramos, Capello, Redknapp, Klinsman can nagaed spurs and current spurs player and achive CL spot in two yers?....dream on!!!!!!...it will bring Spurs two/three seasons backwards....
Jol want the like of Petrov on the elft....commolli & the board could not accomodate any of them
10.02 is a gooner who has lost 400.00 betting on Jol....confirmed
Isn't it worth remembering that back in 2005 the Ajax job was all but offered to Jol. He stuck with Spurs then, and signed a new contract, when he could have walked into a top job in Holland. The Tottenham board seem a little too quick to forget that Jol is a decent and honest sort of bloke. He deserves better than to have all these whispers and rumours. And this secret meeting is frankly an embarrassment to the club, and disgraceful treatment of a manager who could have taken what would arguably have been a bigger job. He showed loyalty to the club then. The board should do the same now.
what do you expect from a board who are mostly Alan Sugar's friends...loyalty is not in their vocabulary?
How do you know that the board are Sugar's men?
Nothings been proven yet. It's unclear whether or not the club officials met with Ramos
When so much is made of a story, you can normally bet that a part of it is true.
No journalist, especially those at the Telegraph would fabricate such as story if there were no hard facts.
They wouldn't risk losing their job over writing a stupid article about Spurs.
The story must have some substance to it. I believe that the meet did happen.
I also believe that it happened behind the back of Mr. Levy and a few board members. If thats really what happened, then I agree with THBN; we'll be hearing of Mr. Kemsley's resignation very shortly.
How unstabling for a club thats supposed to be so stable
Isn't Mr. Kemsley a 'batman' of Mr Sugar?
The Press are always fabricating storys you plank, if they only wrote about the truth there would nothing much to write about, thats not to say this story is either rubbish or true.
Maybe Ramos is a better manager, but how much better?? How long would it take him to bed in? Jaques Santini has a brilliant track record before and after spurs but that didnt work out for us. We MUST keep Jol at all costs, and if you believe Petrov was not accomodated then you realy are the worlds biggest plank. Petrov is making double the wages at Man City than he would have got under our wage structure. ok maybe a few Thai peasants will go short so ManCity can pay him but thats mancitys problem not ours. If we didnt have the wage structure we could never have been so aggressive in the transfer market, if these clubs that keep beating us to players by offering ridiculous amounts of money per week, then if things dont work out end up like Leeds, no i dont trust Levy BUT he is better than Sugar.
The Spurs board MUST come out and stand behind Jol, Stamp out these whispers from back rooms and dressing rooms!!!!!
Who wants Ramos – Sevilla through away the best chance they have ever had to win liga last season with Barca and Real both poor last year.
He has had 10 clubs in 15 years and only now is having any kind of limited success!!!!
i for one would love to see Klinsman in charge one day not now, but lets be honest the about of loyalty we would get from Jurgen it is very questionable could anyone see him staying more than a year his form suggests no
Jol may not be perfect but who is? Its his team and despite bad start we have definitely improved over the last two years. Yes he does need to push on further now but he certainly needs to be given to chance to
jol jol martin martin jol he got no hair but we don't care martin martin jol
Klinsmann has done nothing as a manager, it was the staff behind him that were the engineers of Germanys cup run, he was just the Figurehead of the partnership, the public face so to speak, i know i am living in Krautland, Klinsy is a lovely guy but Jol has a better record as manager.
I agree think of it like this, the Gooners love Tony Adams, but they wouldnt want him as manager
I don't think that Jol will go nor do I hope he goes. Many Spurs fans have short memories - years of nothing and come March just looking at how high in the mid-table we will be. At least under Jol we have achieved something worthwhile and the last two seasons have been exciting.
He may not be the best strategic manager in the world but few teams have brilliant managers - Jol is better than most crap manger out there.
We need a left sided midfield player. Is it too much to ask from Jol and COmolli to up with one?
Why didn't we go after Manchester City's Elano??
I see what youre saying. I too think that the budget could have been spent more wisely, but thats life mate.
Jol is staying and thats that!
we would have had Petrov had City not doubled the wages he would have got from us.
The onlyproblem i see is it is a Dangerous time to go to Man U, they will be fighting hard for the first win and City showed what a great defence they have, Man U will be a tough ask, and if we lose all this STUPID speculation about Jols furure will start up again, and stupid fickle fans wont help, GET BEHIND JOL (lets face it hes a big Enough chap)GET BEHIND THE TEAM, and dont forget we only had 3 points from the first three games last year.
if we don't keep shrek then spurs are guaranteed to move backwards.
We have a young quality squad of young british players.
The goners seem to get praised for there qualities even though there squad is as young as ours.(and full of frenchmen)
Give jol a break, he deserves it.
Why doesn't Daniel Levy come out and defend Jol?
Lets have a democratic Vote
If there working relationship has broken down to such a extent that one has to leave who gets your Vote STAY
Jol OR Comolli
Jol to stay every time Comolli is a French ****r
Comolli seems to find some great players,BUT he cant manage the team, so hard , hobsons choice but for me
jol!!!!
11:43 i agree about going to Man Utd they can't afford to drop any more points. Its the worse possible fixture for Jol its going to give them an excuse to get rid... Don't no about you lot but i just want to give BMJ a big hug and protect him
Man U then the Arsenal, Jol sacked and mid table Mediocrity, SAVE BMJ !!!!!!!
direct ac tion chain ourselves to Jol and the bench!!!! lol
Best Manager we have had in a long time.....
we will regret it if he goes mark my words.
I have been one of his biggest critics but these stories are just ludicrous
Jol
p.s i thought it has been very good to be a spurs fan again, thanks to BMJ!!!
Direct action is a good idea, we must bring as many banners and songs for BMJ to the next home game and show the board our feelings, it does not help to boo the team off the pitch we will just give the board more ammo,
THBN help us unite the fans behind Jol,
THBN do something worthwhile for a change!!!
12:11 - it may well be to late by then
I have to disagree about the booing if the teams plays badly we have ever right to show our feelings we pay the wages
That certainly does not mean anyone should be sacked
The booing comes out of frustration and if the boared can't see that they should not be involved in football
this all sinks of a longer term agenda not down to the first two games .
So unfortunately i think Jol is goner
Its time for you all to pay this site a little visit
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-martin-jol
In Jol we trust
Direct action Direct action Direct action
yes i agree we can boo to show frustration but NOW is not the time, we have to get behind our man!!!!
I will n ot buy any merchandise or a new shirt until i am satisfied Jol is staying... if he goes Levy can take a run and jump before he gets my money
If Levy had approached Ramos then surely Jol would just walk away immediately after such an underhand attempt to undermine his status. Expect Jol to be White Hart Lane boss for some time to come.
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