Article by Paul Mortimer
Reports are circulating that Tottenham Hotspur manager, Martin Jol, has asked for top goal scorer and fans favorite, Dimitar Berbatov, to be sold.
This astonishing news has rocked a lot of Spurs fans as the club seems to be in turmoil with just three games gone into the new season.
Spurs chairman, Daniel Levy, refused the sale of Berbatov, which has now led to large unrest between the manager and chairman.
Many pundits are claiming that this is the reason why Jol probably has until the end of the week before being replaced. I on the other hand, believe that Martin may be replaced for other reasons.
Manchester United boss, Alex Ferguson, asked his chairman to sell England international, David Beckham after the two clashed. Ferguson also sanctioned the sale of Van Nistelrooy, a player whom in their current predicament would have come in handy.
It is becoming quite apparent that Tottenham Hotspur Director of Football, Damien Comolli, is largely behind the boards decision to oust Jol from his position and bring in Sevilla's manager, Juande Ramos.
Maybe Comolli has had a word with the board after the rumours of Jol's training methods came to light. Comolli's has an influential standing with the board. If the Frenchman has advised that Jol should be replaced, several board members such as vice-charmain Kemsley, would have been alerted, in turn, persuading Levy to begin a search for a manager that would take over from Jol.
Jol is apparently unhappy at the way Berbatov has been behaving since being substituted in the Sunderland game.
No player should be bigger than the club or manager, should they?
Tuesday, 21 August 2007
Jol vs Berbatov
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I think that the board are just coming up with excuses now.
What a shame. I used to think that Levy was pretty decent to.
Rubbish! Why would Jol want to sell Berba? It doesn't make sense
This Ramas story must be true for everyone to be talking about it.
Who is this guy anyway?
Some forums are saying that Berbatov isn't really injured but has been told to take leave for 2 weeks so that he can come back fresh for the new manager.
Tom COYS!!!!!
Ramos, not Ramas, is the Seville manager. He's an excellent man-manager and tactician that can lead Spurs into the top four.
How do you know that he's a good man-manager?
Have you worked under him?
The club wpould never sell Berbatov. Not now, not next season either.
He's worth more to the club than Jol is. If I have to chose, I chose Jol to go and Berbatov to stay
Yes I have Poshwank, my name is Danny Alaves.
7.51, you are a wan*er. Get off this site and stop causing trouble. You call yourself a Yid, yet you act like Scum
Berbatov needs to stay. Jol needs to move on now. He's taken us as far as he can.
Thanks for all you've done Martin, but I'm afraid its time to move on
Daniel, Palmers Green
What a sh*te article, as per normal.
Time for Jol to go, he has taken the club as far as he can.
Poshw*nk, you really are a tw*t.
Thank you 7:54.
If Jol wants Berby to go, then i believe that he should be sold. If he has a great season again, he'll probably be off anyway.
Jol to stay!!!!
The news is saying that all of this has been created to unsettle Berbatov so that he can move to Manchester United.
If thats the case, they wouldnt be able to afford him anyway.
I am amazed by the almost blind support for Martin Jol. I believe he is an ok manager and seems to have some good man management skills (probably because the prima donna players know that he is physically big enough not to be intimidated).
However I have said before on a number of occasions on the old BBC site and maybe on this one, that he certainly does not seem to have the gravitas, the intellect or the special something that truly successful managers have. His tactics and lack of good use of substitutes leaves a massive amount to be desired.
The way the club has been run behind the scenes including transfer business has been exceptionally good although not perfect. MJ has had some damned good players to work with.
Also finishing 5th last season was very lucky- so many other teams let us in but I think we were way behind the 1st 4.
Basically I believe that my beloved team has done better for the last 2 seasons despite the manager.
Just because he has done better than many of our terrible managers before does not mean he is good enough.
I believe the directors would be absolutely spot on if they considered they could get a manager who is in that special top grade of management that the likes of AF, JM & AW belong. If Ramos is one of those and recent triumphs suggest that he is, then lets get him.
To me it is not much different than improving your squad such as getting Chimbonda in for Staltieri.
I just wish we could offer up managers for transfer as players are done. Why not- MJ could be worth about 4 million then.
If we have the opportunity of having a manager who can help us to be better, joining the Champions league and even win things then I am all for it (especially as i fear that MJ is unlikely to be able to).
It's disgusting how they try and ditch Jol.
Jol should stay and I don't think there's a problem between Jol and Berbatov...
Comolli should be blamed for the fact that we still lack a decent left winger...
This is an absolute shambles. If he gets sacked 3 games into a campaign it's clear the board really don't know what they're doing.
If Jol goes, i'll be ashamed to be a Spurs fan.
I find it hard believe that the board cannot see that they, the club and the fans will be made the laughing stock of the Premier League if they part company with Martin Jol.
THBN believe all these stories to be true as no member of the board has released a statement quashing these rumours.
What a shame
It is the way the club has conduxcted themselves that brings shame . Levy is in charge and as a man at the business he can choose who he wants to be Manager but the way this has been handled is diabolical .
I am a season TH at the club and have been for the past 3 seasons.
If Martin Jol goes, I will sell my season ticket book.
It's disgusting
The manager is bigger than any player... It's a shame Levy too stupid to see this... BMJ to stay, Berba to stay...COYS
I'll buy your season ticket...
8:04...Excellently put. The way some supporters just blindly back Jol is embarrassing. I think Jol has taken us as far as we can go, but I would only replace him if the right manager is available. These 'head in the sand' supporters should go and support the scum and STOP embarrassing the club.
As for poshw*nk wanting pertitions signed, I think that sums it up perfectly. Poshw*ank will now respond with a clever, witty retort such as 'thankyou'.
That's true 815. The club should have at least given Jol until October and then made their move if we were off the pace.
They shouldn't have met with Ramos in a public place.
How stupid of them. How embarrasing for us
8.16. I'll sell you the remaining tickets if Jol goes.
I'll count the cost and will post on here if Jol does end up leaving.
FFS...Jol getting the sack is not because we have lost 2 matches this season. How thick are some of these supporters? It has been his lack of training, organisation, tactics, team selection for the last 18 months. Please, stop burying your heads in the sand and look at the situation objectively. You are embarrassing the true supporters and the club.
Brilliant, cheers 8.18
MJ has done a great job in his three years however if these stories are true then we must ask ourselves do we want to be the best of the rest or do we want to brake into the big four.I think MJ should be removed not because of the loses at the start of the season but because he seams to be happy to say 5th is progress.It was but now we must move on or risk losing our best players and falling further behind the big 4!
Riquelme is a Yido!
so 3 games into the new season the board 'decide' that Jol is not the man to take us further? If we were to get rid of Jol, we would have done it in close season. Were there actually any facts in the papers... Smells like BS to me to unsettle us
8:18..What a true supporter you are. Can tell you're one of the vast loyal band who support the club through thick and thin. True supporters support the club, not individuals.
We don't want glory hunting supporters like you, f*ck and support the chavs or manure.
Come on guys. Spurs need a manager like Cappello to take us to the next level.
I love Jol too, but he is tactically inept. The story about him wanting Berbatov to move on is true also.
The board are forward thinking and know that by selling Berbatov, the club would show a massive lack of ambition.
The board can't allow that to happen. Jol is being negative and the board have realised this.
It is a shame that he'll go, but it really is for the best. You must all trust the Tottenham board and Commoli (spelling).
Harrison, Enfield
I agree with Harrison, but it's just so stupid that the board allowed themselves to act so naively in Spain.
Ok, so they want Ramos. Don't go out there in front of the cameras and meet with the guy!!
No sense at all.
The Mail has linked us with Harry Redknapp. I'll take him over Ramos.
They guy works wonders
A step in the right direction you twit. Redknapp!!! You must be having me on.
If anything, Jol is a far better man than Redknapp.
It's not about supporting one man you idiot. I'll sell my season TB as an act to show that I am not in union with the board and their pathetic actions.
didn't Comolli used to work with Wenger?? I have a scary feeling about this...
Wenger is unhappy; another George Graham scenario to unfold??
Berbatov wants to win silverware.With this board and director of football you win nothing ! BMJ has proven he's a winner. Berbatov loves him. His tactics are spot on with the players to his disposal. Levy sell the club to footballpeople, Comolli go back to scout for wenger, merci !
Jol is a great guy. i wouldn't have agreed with his sacking on the basis of the 2 defeats, however, with a broader view, is he really the man to take us to the top? Ramos is an exceptional manager, the type that is not going to come along too often and certainly of the calibre that a madrid or barca would go for.
he's got a mate on the board so should show commitment and offer some stability.
not sure about the berba thing but there's certainly no smoke without fire. i love the big man, but using my head ramos would be a more successful manager without a doubt.
Other than USFA Cup...What this Ramos has achieved?? Can he managed the current players in/off the field...
Spurs will move 2/3 years backwards
8.50 - you know f*ck all.
If spurs are not willing to pay Berbatov more than 50 k/week, he will go...westham, newcastle, City can pay him >75 k...man U, Chelasea willing to pay more.
Berbatov is a great player there is no doubt but his attitude does stink. You can see that just buy his attitude on the pitch.
1/ wenger wont manage spurs
2/ why the fuck are people saying its about jol's training methods and behind the scenes organisation when no one really knows anything.
3/ one word. patience. without it u will keep having new managers with new ideas who will want to change the team and create some instability again. if u guys really think jol is the problem and u want to replace him now. be prepared to win nothing this season. Personally i thinkm this is all farcical. Im more disspaointed in the fans that are saying jol, is shit...u know what ur shit for saying that. go and support the scum. the guys record speaks fot itself and he has the best one for a very long time. yes u can say he has had money....but so did graham. and breaking thye top 4 is alot harder nowadays. my best advice is to show some patience. if berbatov is getting unproffessional then have a go at him and keep on the bench for some games and then play him. thats what fergie would do. stand by jol...if he isnt performing well in december then line someone up for the summer. but sacking him now doesnt make sense
News just in..
Jol hasn't arrived at Spurs Lodge today.
Paul
this stinks to the core. Jol deserves this season at least for ehat he has done for us and i dont buy this berbatov story at all, Jol is always singing his praises. Levy used to be all right in my book but if he risks war with teh fans hes a fool. So Ramos comes in, we lose 3 games, what do you think us fans will be saying then?? This is suicide.
8:21
i have heard a few comments like yours, and i'm not having a pop at you personal but here we go.
you make the statement,It has been his lack of training, organisation, tactics, team selection for the last 18 months.
have you ever trained with spurs to know this to be true ?
and yes i'm going to say it and i'm not ashamed, 5 in the last 2 seasons.that can't be a fluke there must be a good level of organisation and tactics there.
Team selection yes we can all do that one can't we.i bet you would drop so and so, play this one with that, he would never wear the shirt if i was in charge.but like me you are just banging on a keyboard while Jol is actaully picking a team in one of ,if not the best league in the world. thats worlds apart.
How thick are some of these supporters? well all of us, i know i'm potty about them, i only have to see the look on my 18 month baby's face when i'm jumping up and down screaming at tv/radio, he looks at me like dad your an idiot,his right of course.
Please, stop burying your heads in the sand and look at the situation objectively.
see here you have got me, i wouldn't call myself a jol lover, but i do have this sort of blind faith, that anyone who pulls on spurs shirt, leads out the team as manager i will believe in get behind 100%.See i'm just Tottenham. good bad and indifferent, always have been always will be.i call it being a supporter.
My view is the board are an incredibly intelligent group of people, who I sincerely hope are doing all these things for the right reasons. Some time ago you may remember the club posted a note saying they would not act on any speculation but would only post facts. This could all be another storm whipped up to sell newspapers, or the work of some goon or chelski fan.
What people fail to see is the board have backed the managers and been very patient for a return to the big time. We have one of the best squads of young players in the premiersip if not Europe. We have spent heavily but wisely as well. OK you may say Bent was expensive for £16.5m but the new tv money has pushed the prices of all players up. Our board have realised this very quickly and looked to invest the money.
My concern comes with the news of the Berba bust up and Comollis increasing involvement. A couple of months ago we were disgusted with Ghaly for venting frustration for throwing his shirt down. I'm not condoning that (even if I did feel his treatment was harsh) but whats the difference with Berbatov? All this is detracting from what we need to be working on, which is a challenge for the top places in the league.
7.51- I think you'll find you spell your name Daniel Alves- just a tip
This is ridiculous, we've just given him 40 mill to spend onplayers, although how much of it is comolli, and now we're sacking him. Spurs will never achieve things unless they give the manager time, we have invested in a lot of youth and jol should be given time to improve them. I think the berbatov jol debate is rubbish, pure paper talk.
9:28...I don't need to attend the training sessions,I see the result of them every match. Jol still hasn't got the defence sorted, no set piece plays sorted, unbalanced team selection, fitness levels of players questionable, and a tactic of passing the ball back to Robbo to thump it forward.
As for 5th last season, it was very nice of Bolton and Reading to throw away 15 pt leads on us, and as soon as we played someone decent in the cup, we get knocked out. Take the blinkers off and look at waht people are posting.
Poshspur.
As you claim to be a shareholder then you would know that Kemsley is NOT a Director of the club. He resigned in April 2006.
It is not hard finding out who the Directors are – try the official website http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/investor/investor_directors.html
10.01, I agree with everything you've said.
With Ramos, we'll get a manager that knows how to manage properly.
Juande Ramos has been a Manager for about 20 years and only acheived anything in the last 3 years, what will Jol be like after 20 years????
Juande Ramos blew the La Liga Title last year despite Barcelona and Rel Madrid having weak seasons.
You can Stick Juande Ramos Up your Arse,
You can Stick Juande Ramos Up your Arse,
You can Stick Juande Ramos Stick Juande Ramos Up your Arse.
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
Cos we got Martin on the bench,
(clap clap)
Cos we got Martin on the bench,
(clap clap)
cos we got Martin We got Martin on the Bench.
(clap clap)
It's not after Sunderland. In SA Berba was soaking all the time too. He never commited cause he expected to be the king and he isn't. And he had two terrible rows with Jol after the two games. So Jol is right in wanting him out. He's a liability for Spurs right now. Even if he stays and Jol goes, the new manager will not treat him as the star and the problem will go on.
Berbatov should have moved in the Summer. He stayed because he was the darling of the club and fans, but he was quite surprised to see he was just one more when he came back. Time to go. And keep Jol!
Ramos is the Spanish Mourinho: he's the star, not the players.
It wasn't the board who told Berba to fake a injury. If it's a fake he's doing it not to play for Spurs anymore . Two weeks till the transfer windows closes, right? And his agent said it was in the last minute and not serious. That can explain why he was omly in pain in the end and that the club buying him won't be buying damaged goods.
I know the agent is having talks with Arsenal since the Sunderland game and, last but not the least, for the first time Berba didn't talk about Spurs , only about the National side on tv last Sunday, but said that he still had 12 days to move on.
So, it's a mess, ladies and gents. I believe Jol should stay and Berba should go. He's not with this club any longer.
I will be ashamed to be a Yid if BMJ goes. Scum, Manu etc all move players on and none are bigger than the club, when they think they are the get the boot. BMJ is the man to lead us to top 4 with or without Berba, I am completely flabergasted that we can go from serious contenders to laughing stock in two weeks and I am not talking about results I am talking about the behaviour of our board. W**kers...
Jol has done well with us and the last few years have been good. But I don't think Jol is the man who can take us further. Can anyone honestly say they can see us winning the prem with Jol? whether it be in 5 or 10 years I just don't think he is strong enough tactically to mount that kind of challenge.
I read in an interview last season in the independent that he'd like to go and manage the dutch national team or back in the Dutch eredivisie after a few years, and also that it would always be impossible to win the premiership with spurs, showing lack of ambition.
Jol has been a faithful servant over the last few years but I'm afraid he can't take us further. Never mind all this "Rome wasn't built in a day", he is just too weak tactically.
COYS
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